Done For

Welcome to Done For, the podcast that’s all about two basic questions:

  • What leads to a good death?” – and then
  • “What does that tell us about how to live a good life?”

More specifically, what does constructive contemplation of and preparation for mortality look like? How do we think about and prepare for the fact that we’re all gonna die… and hold that in a way that enriches our lives, rather than bogs them down?

Each episode, we’ll explore a particular approach to death, dying, and living. It might be a thousand year old tradition, or an interesting new book that came out last week.

Got a question about any of these things? Drop us a line.

Episode 7: Wrapup and Previewing Next Season


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SHOW NOTES:

This week we wrap up Season 1 with our reflections and lessons learned. And we share a few warm fuzzies, so bring the kleenex! Stay tuned for a sneak peak into Season 2.

RESOURCES:

Dr. Elisabeth Kübler-Ross, On Death and Dying: What the Dying Have to Teach Doctors, Nurses, Clergy and Their Own Families (New York: Scribner, 1969).

Ostaseski, Frank, The Five Invitations (Flatiron Books, 2017).

Episode 6: Acceptance


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This week we continue into the five stages offered by Dr. Elizabeth Kubler-Ross, namely Acceptance. Our template consists of two basic questions: 1) what leads to a good death? and 2) what leads to a good life? Listen in as we discuss this stage of death and dying.

RESOURCES:

Dr. Elisabeth Kübler-Ross, On Death and Dying: What the Dying Have to Teach Doctors, Nurses, Clergy and Their Own Families (New York: Scribner, 1969).

Rilke, Rainer Maria, Sonnets to Orpheus (Insel-Verlag, 1923).

Star Wars is a beloved garden for plucking ripe illustrations in this podcast. It’s also an American-produced epic space opera franchise, created by George Lucas and centered around a film series that began with the 1977 movie.

Roger Federer is a Swiss professional tennis player whom Jessica knows nothing about, except that he plays tennis. So, kudos to David for name-dropping a highly ranked men’s singles tennis player.

Lewis, C.S., The Last Battle (United Kingdom: The Bodley Head, 1956).

 

I’ll Follow You Into The Dark, Death Cab for Cutie: Plans, 2005.

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Episode 5: Depression


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This week we continue into the five stages offered by Dr. Elizabeth Kubler-Ross, namely Depression. If you are feeling overwhelmed, please get help. We list resources below. Our template consists of two basic questions: 1) what leads to a good death? and 2) what leads to a good life? Listen in as we discuss this stage of death and dying.

RESOURCES:

Dr. Elisabeth Kübler-Ross, On Death and Dying: What the Dying Have to Teach Doctors, Nurses, Clergy and Their Own Families (New York: Scribner, 1969).

Paint it Black, Rolling Stones, Aftermath (1966).

Nova(stylized NOVΛ) is an American popular science television seriesproduced by WGBH Boston. It is broadcast on Public Broadcasting Service (PBS) in the U.S., and in more than 100 other countries. The serieshas won many major television awards. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nova_(TV_series).

Dark Night of the Soul is a poem written by the 16th-century Spanish mystic and poet St. John of the Cross. The author himself did not give any title to his poem, on which he wrote two book-length commentaries: Ascent of Mount Carmel and The Dark Night. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Night_of_the_Soul).

There are five stages to the Jewish mourning process: 1) Aninut, pre-burial mourning. 2-3) Shivah, a seven day period following the burial; within the Shivah, the first three days are characterized by a more intense degree of mourning. 4) Shloshim, the 30-day mourning period. 5) The First Year (observed only by the children of the deceased). (https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/291135/jewish/Shiva-and-Other-Mourning-Observances.htm).

National Suicide Prevention Lifeline 1-800-273-8255

Disaster Distress Helpline,1-800-985-5990

The Trevor Project, (866) 488-7386: A 24-hour depression hotline for suicidal LGBTQ youth.

Gilmore Girls (TV Series 2000-2006)

 

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Episode 4: Bargaining


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This week we continue into the five stages offered by Dr. Elizabeth Kubler-Ross, namely Bargaining. Find out why everyone needs an Abuela and when it’s time for your “Fuck-It” list. Our template consists of two basic questions: 1) what leads to a good death? and 2) what leads to a good life? Listen in as we discuss this stage of death and dying.

RESOURCES:

Kübler-Ross, Dr. Elisabeth, On Death and Dying: What the Dying Have to Teach Doctors, Nurses, Clergy and Their Own Families (New York: Scribner, 1969).

 

Les Miserables is a French historical novel penned by Victor Hugo in 1862 and later made into a Broadway Musical, to which we refer, by Claude-Michel Schönberg and Herbert Kretzmer

 Ruach (Heb ‘breath’) is the force responsible for action according to one Jewish account of the creation of this world from the first book of the Hebrew Bible, known as the Tanakh, “Bərēšīṯ”, “In [the] beginning”).

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Episode 3: Anger


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This week we continue into the five stages offered by Dr. Elizabeth Kubler-Ross, namely Anger. Is anger ever ok? Is it helpful? Our template consists of two basic questions: 1) what leads to a good death? and 2) what leads to a good life? Listen in as we discuss this stage of death and dying.

RESOURCES:

Kübler-Ross, Dr. Elisabeth, On Death and Dying: What the Dying Have to Teach Doctors, Nurses, Clergy and Their Own Families (New York: Scribner, 1969).

Thomas, Dylan, Do Not Go Gentle Into That Good Night, (1947).

Tai chi (taiji), short for T’ai chi ch’üan, or Taijiquan (pinyin: tàijíquán; 太极拳), is an internalChinese martial art practiced for both its defense training and its health benefits. It’s also a philosophy of the forces of yin and yang. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tai_chi)

 

Kali is the Hindu goddess of death or deliverance, and one of Andy’s all-time favorite people.  https://www.ancient.eu/Kali/

 

Jesus’ anger materializes in the story of him overturning tables in temple, as recorded in the Christian sacred texts of Matthew 21:12-13 and Mark 11:15-18.

 

Need an Interfaith Chaplain? You can find a few of our favorites by clicking on the Providers tab at www.chaplaincyinstitute.org.

 

Tori DeAngelis, Cover Story, www.apa.org, http://www.apa.org/monitor/mar03/whenanger.aspx, 2003.

Inside Out. Directed by Pete Docter.  Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures, 2015.

The Black Lives Matter Global Network is a chapter-based, member-led organization whose mission is to build local power and to intervene in violence inflicted on Black communities by the state and vigilantes. (https://blacklivesmatter.com/about/)

The Five Invitations (2017) by Frank Ostaseski will be the focus of Season 2 of Done For. If you’ve already got this, yay for you.

 

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Episode 2: Denial


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This week we start with the first stage offered by Dr. Elizabeth Kubler-Ross, namely Denial. What’s the difference between active denial and passive denial? Our template consists of two basic questions: 1) what leads to a good death? and 2) what leads to a good life? Listen in as we discuss this stage of death and dying.

RESOURCES:

Kübler-Ross, Dr. Elisabeth, On Death and Dying: What the Dying Have to Teach Doctors, Nurses, Clergy and Their Own Families (New York: Scribner, 1969).

Becker, Ernest, The Denial of Death (New York: Simon & Schuster, 1973). After receiving a Ph.D. in Cultural Anthropology from Syracuse University, Dr. Ernest Becker (1924-1974) taught at the University of California at Berkeley, San Francisco State College, and Simon Fraser University, Canada. He is survived by his wife, Marie, and a foundation that bears his name–The Ernest Becker Foundation.

 

What is Hospice? During a terminal illness, you or your loved ones may talk with your doctor and decide the treatments meant to cure or slow a disease are no longer working, or you’re ready to stop them. Your doctor can make a referral for hospice care, also known as end-of-life care. Hospice provides a relief from pain, either caused by the illness or the symptoms. Early 19th century: from French, from Latin hospitium, from hospes, hospit-(see host1). Most health care providers offer hospice, check with your local provider.

Jackass(TV Series 2000-2002)

Ironic, Alanis Morrisette, from David’s favorite album: Jagged Little Pill(1995)

Learn more about Andrew Chirch, David Greenson, and Jessica Shine(hyperlink to either the DF website or various sites for our names?)

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Episode 1: We’re Done For!


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This episode, meet the hosts and get an idea what this podcast is all about. Just as important, find out what it isn’t.

We start our journey with two basic questions: 1) what leads to a good death? and 2) what leads to a good life? Listen in as we discuss our starting position, and, and tell us how you’d answer these questions.

Here are a few disclaimers as we start this podcast: we aren’t experts, we haven’t died, we speak in cursory… meaning there is some swearing. If you’re down for that kind of a good time, subscribe and share our podcast!

RESOURCES:

Kübler-Ross, Dr. Elisabeth, On Death and Dying: What the Dying Have to Teach Doctors, Nurses, Clergy and Their Own Families (New York: Scribner, 1969). Elisabeth Kübler-Ross, MD, [1926–2004] was a Swiss-born psychiatrist, humanitarian, and co-founder of the hospice movement around the world. Elisabeth authored twenty-four books in thirty-six languages and brought comfort to millions of people coping with their own deaths or the death of a loved one. Her greatest professional legacy includes teaching the practice of humane care for the dying and the importance of sharing unconditional love. Her work continues by the efforts of hundreds of organizations around the world, including The Elisabeth Kübler-Ross Foundation: EKRFoundation.org.

 

The Chaplaincy Institutein Berkeley, CA is where the 3 of us met and began to share our stories. The Chaplaincy Institute is an Interfaith Community and Seminary that strives to create a just world that honors the sacred connection of all. Find out more at www.chaplaincyinstitute.org.

Titanic (1997,Paramount Pictures& 20th Century Foxis the unfortunate example we use to illustrate how not to die. Our apologies if you’re a fan. And also, our condolences.

 

Japanese vending machines– these things are real. https://kotaku.com/the-world-of-japanese-vending-machines-5988536

And also, why do we not have these in America?

 

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And we’re live in 3, 2, 1…

We couldn’t be more excited to announce that our first season is now live on iTunes, Apple Podcasts, Google, or wherever you listen to podcasts. You can subscribe from our home page, search in your favorite app for Done For, or use this link.

Look for individual episodes and show notes here soon.

Our trailer is out!


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We’re getting really close! Here’s a little something to tide you over until we launch. Presenting….. our season one trailer!

Coming soon: Done For – the podcast

Hi folks, Andy here. I’m excited about this project and thought I’d share.

We’re working on something that hasn’t been done (that we know of): a platform where we talk about death, dying, and living differently. It started when David posed the question, “What if the subject of dying didn’t have to be so taboo? After all, everybody does it.”

We’re looking forward to unpacking different topics around death in our unique way: very real and raw at times, yet kind and funny, but always respectful.

Stay tuned!